Love And Cannabis

0030: Doctor Junella Chin | MedLeafRx

Episode Summary

Ask your Doctor if CBD oil is right for your family

Episode Notes

New York Medical Marijuana Doctor Junella Chin MD MedleafRX is one of the first doctors in the state to treat her patents with cannabis.   Caring for their son Aiden, Osiris Stephen and Nina Simmons have worked very closely with her.  In their comprehensive conversation they discuss a wide-range of cannabis related topics including the downside of parents hesitating using CBD oil.

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Episode Transcription

 

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:00:03] For too many years, families of children with devastating illnesses have felt helpless as they watched their child suffer.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:00:10] Today, they're taking matters into their own hands and finally finding relief. Treating the child with Cannabis.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:00:31] Welcome to another episode.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:00:35] Cannabis, I am Nina Simone. And I am also Stefan. And we are the proud parents. It is dancing.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:00:43] Hey, guys, welcome. Welcome to another episode. Hello. Hello. Hello. Oh, my God. Today's episode is going to be probably one of those at you know, I've said I've met him four times before. I'm excited about this. But this one, I am definitely, definitely excited, very excited of her help, support and nothing but love has helped us move forward with the arm, with Aiden and helping him get through those bumps and bruises in his development as well.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:01:11] It's just, you know, finding the right mix of when it came to CBD oil. And so I am very fortunate, as you know, as well as to our family, very, very grateful, very fortunate to have Dr Ju and Alan Chin. Ah, she's an advocate for better understanding of science and medicine of Cannabis. Dr Chen has an office in New York City in Westchester, and she consults with many doctors and patients in the area of Cannabis. And she was our pop, our second doctor that we've turned to and we're not turning back. So, Dr. Chen, welcome. Welcome.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:01:46] Thank you so much for having me. I was very, very excited all day. I was looking forward to this podcast talking with you.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:01:52] Oh, my God, we've been excited for about a year. We're like, wow, we haven't done that yet. I'm like, you know what? For the most part, since we started doing it, like, OK, let's get better at it. You are Akeley's. Boy. Because, I mean, do I look like some job loss, like, really, guys?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:02:08] And then we finally got the equipment to have gas on Saturday. You can't have anyone in your place now, so.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:02:13] Yeah, exactly. So the timing. So we've really stepped up our game to make sure that we have has it. You say we've cleaned our home to make sure to welcome you in. Thank you. Thank you. No problem. So please tell us give us the ideas or background on your experience, how you got started. And then where are you now with being in this industry, in helping now families?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:02:35] Sure. Yeah. Well, you know, I just started in California 15 years ago. California legalized medical cannabis 20 years ago. So when I started, that medical model in California was was at its infancy. And I was a patient before I even became a physician. So I was diagnosed that autoimmune disease of my spine when I was a med student.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:02:58] And one of my attendings, one of my mentors offered me Cannabis to help me get out of pain. And he was an HIV and AIDS doctor. And he said, look, you know, you wear this back brace all the time. You go work 100 hours a week, you're never going to become a doctor unless you get this pain under control. And so he opened my eyes to medical cannabis. It helped me for my chronic pain. So when I started my practice, it was actually mostly special needs children. So my husband and I started our practice in Southern California. And these you know, these kids actually were no parents at all. And they work just like you did, did all the research and said, hey, what about what about Cannabis for my my son or my daughter with seizure disorder or a metabolic disorder or genetic disorder? You know, some of them came in non ambulatory, whereas they were in a wheelchair. Some of them came in nonverbal. But they said, hey, this Cannabis works for seizures or the muscle spasm or the pain. You know, my you know, my girlfriend told me about it and helped her and her child. So we open up our eyes with the help of other parents. And we started integrating Cannabis safely as M.D. with their other medications. So we work with other neurologists. We work with their speech therapist, their physical therapist, their Otey as a team, because we always knew that it was a team approach when it came to treating the child and integrating medical Cannabis. And so here I am now. Four, five years later, I'm in New York. I grew up in the Bronx native.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:04:32] So I came back to New York five years ago and I have the practice out here and we treat children and adults.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:04:38] Oh, wow. I can remember. I think it was just the children you were working with, but now you're moving into adults. Or is that Benoist?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:04:45] Yeah, we treated that because, you know, the biggest challenge is finding a doctor that will talk to you honestly about Cannabis and finding a doctor that understands prescription medication like regular prescription medication, because there there's going to be both in a lot of cases. So we started integrating it for adults because adults couldn't, you know, work, family practice by training. So we know must medicine and family practice. So both my husband and I, we know how to treat adults and children. So we started making it a family clinic.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:05:18] Now, it's interesting. Now, is there a difference in your approach between the adult and the child, or is there something where there similarities as you go along until some point you decided change it up for each one?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:05:31] It's very different when you're treating a child. You're, you know, obviously working so closely with the parents and educating the parents, teaching them how to keep a journal, something as simple as keeping a journal. And then you're talking to the other health care providers because your you know, from me standing up for the parent and saying, yes, I agree that medical Cannabis is something we should do. Some of those other health care providers have a stigma or they might feel like, you know what, I don't I'm not comfortable with medical Cannabis. And so I'm here as a partner with the parents. So then we talked to the other health care providers and try and educate them, not convince them, but just educating them, opening up their eyes to something new. Some of the practitioners, they'll say, you know what, we don't we don't want you in our practice. So then I have to help them find other integrative or holistic practitioners as well.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:06:25] So it's a little more legwork. And then we're talking to teachers, you know, if medical Cannabis works. We're trying to bring in the teachers and the nursing and administrative staff. Right.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:06:35] If the child goes to school filling out paperwork and making sure they can get their medicine in school.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:06:42] So it's it's easier actually for adults because adults have a lot more flexibility.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:06:48] Now, just to give a backdrop for. You know, basically, our listeners, we had met you after our first initial doctor helped us get a medical marijuana card. A gentleman that we met through a friend of mine. He he really had no idea. He just knew that he wanted to give out a prescription and he just wanted to be an industry. He had no idea what was going to work or what didn't work. But we took it, took his advice and was able to get, you know, the CBT, all that we wanted, we had. And I think what.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:07:18] So what? I just got the sense I went to another man rudiment, got Cannabis doctor. But I got the sense that he didn't really work with children yet. That was our biggest issue is doing. But we got the sense that he didn't know wracked with seizures, actually not so much children, but like seizures.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:07:34] Epilepsy was different than the adult chronic pain. Yeah. The post traumatic stress. And then I went to a women grow meeting and I met one of your colleagues and he then referred me to you. And that's how we.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:07:49] That's how we met. Yeah. That's how we the whole thing started. And from then I. You've been a big supporter. In fact, when we had initially dog did the press conference to introduce the attention bill, the 81 91 s 81 91 in New York. We had the press conference. You were there. You were disappointed. Prior to that lead up, I was basically it's funny cause I haven't really gotten the chance to talk to anybody who was there. Does supporters like what was happening for you during that time? And then what's happened since then? Because that press conference to me, it was really huge and it did get a lot of visibility. And then also the video that we did with the Huffington Post to have over like Fontanet four and a half million views.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:08:34] Yes. On Facebook. Also, I met people like in different states, like you look familiar. Oh, I see. You know, I'm like, yeah, we did. Dovid Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That was beautiful only. Okay. It's like, yes, that's us.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:08:46] Yeah. I still I still have other families calling me from watching that video. Get out. And this is years later. Yeah. It's you know, it's very different treating children. I mean, they treat children not just with seizures but with ADHD and anxiety. You know, kids that have Tourette's OCD, you know that a lot of things that Cannabis work for. But it's it's challenging and it's different than an adult practice because we have to be on top of of everything with the child that they can't express, you know, oh, I don't feel good.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:09:22] Or a seizure is coming on, Momma, you know, like. Yeah. So you will look at eight and you already know from the look in his eye, he has a gleam in his eye. Yeah, well, he got up a little bit differently, you know. Yes. Yeah. You already feel it in your bones.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:09:36] Oh. Yes. We are so into him so.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:09:39] Yeah exactly. So you know more than any x ray MRI, C.T. scan, EEG before it even comes out, you already know what's going to say Vestris.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:09:48] So for me as a physician, I believe that working very closely with the parents because parents know their child better than anyone. So you've tell me you if you tell me that AMI is not working, something different is happening, that we will have a conversation with the neurologist. You know what you're saying, even this Cannabis dose, this is too strong or this is not strong enough. So it is a lot of collaboration, a lot of background work. Not that, you know, physicians that don't have experience with pediatric cases and integrating medical Cannabis just can't do so. For me, I kept a lot of data, medical data, clinical data for my fifteen years in California because I had to cover my butt. Number one, I had to make sure that I charted everything and that I would. This is all I had. I only had the parents to tell me, Gerente, what they kept in their journal. I only had, you know, their ancillary health providers tell me, you know, what they saw in Peepee or T and I jotted everything down.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:10:50] I kept every information down and I started to see patterns. I sorta said, wow, this, you know, this cannabinoid, this profile, this and this age.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:10:59] And look what happens when the child reaches puberty. You know, it's a growth spurt. Seizures are going to increase. And this is what we need to do at the Cannabis or even for for female patients, for girls that start menstruation when they start menstruation, those a lot of the Cannabis regimen has to change, too. So all of these things that I've learned over the years, you know, is where I get, you know, the evidence where people say there's there is nothing but anecdotal data. But we've been sitting on data from California for twenty years. Come on now.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:11:30] Yes, that's crazy. That is absolutely so. I mean, this listening to what you're saying, because we actually remember those times when Aiden would get a cold will noticed is a change in his seizure activity or when he has growth spurts end. The seizures are through the roof are like, okay, what's the timeline? Oh, my God. It's about his own Grosberg time. And so we get there just to get to the CBD accordingly.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:11:57] And I think. Right. And I think that's the difference between that parents, maybe gasolines parents. I'm a little bit more that it's not going to be always consistent. Yeah. You know, in terms of the results, then there are going to be some dips. There are going to have to be some adjustments. Maybe you can explain that a little bit more with CBD.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:12:17] Absolutely. It's not going to be consistent because of hormone changes. Sleep changes, you know. Yeah. Holden flew all of that. So, I mean, even for adults, July four, for me as a woman gone through perimenopause, I'm my. Wow. These are some changes.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:12:35] Those go through changes, too. We don't we don't realize it because we just kind of like try and put into the background. We're not paying attention to ourselves. But children are very, very sensitive, very sensitive to anything, you know, could be light. It could be you know, you watch the late movie and then you didn't get enough sleep when they go to sleep.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:12:54] Yeah. Oh, yes. We know for that part. Very, very, very well. Yeah. So, you know, I work in a school and I see I'm seeing a lot of children with ADHD, ADHD. Are you getting them more patients with that diagnosis?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:13:10] I am. And I so I you know, of course I help integrate nutrition. It's very important for ADHD kids, but I do integrate medical Cannabis as well. It helps, you know, I think with the nervous system, you know, I always say kids with ADHD, they have a Ferrari as a brain and they have bicycle pedals or brakes. And, you know, that's something that they're saying is very, very common. And it's true. They just can't stop. And, you know, it could be the humming of the H vac system or, you know, the child in front of them is tapping on a pencil and then the teacher is dangling their keys. So all of that is really important. Then they and they start to glue to that. So what the Cannabis does Cannabis tempers all of that and allows the child to focus. And, you know, we're we're not talking about giving Cannabis to a normal teenager. A normal functioning teenager went when children have this quality of life disrupted by ADHD, anxiety, OCD. They have an A not 100 percent functioning endocannabinoid system. So they need something.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:14:13] Got it.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:14:15] So now the patients that you've been seeing, are they referred to as walk ins? I mean, because I know that when we did everything together with the Huffington Post, with the press conference, have you noticed that you've been getting an increase since then? Or was it basically about the same before prior to all the things that we've been doing and that you've been doing on your own?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:14:35] My families, everyone knows you guys are really, really since we've been working together, they have been.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:14:45] We want to be like aid.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:14:46] And whatever you talk, you know, whatever you said to this person, like, you know, we saw that.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:14:55] You know, Larry had you get you know, you get the nurse to do this.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:15:01] How did you you know, so, you know, give us a map, you know? But no, they everyone knows about you guys.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:15:08] Oh, yes. That is you'll be beating people like I know you guys like, OK. And America's Most Wanted.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:15:16] No, you have changed, you know. I mean, you know, I would just. Thousands of lives. Thousands of lives. Wow. And that's being conservative. Wow. And I get e-mails from all across the country. I mean, it's not just New York. Oh, wow. Yeah. I mean, I get e-mails from a lot of people from states, southern states that don't have access to even Hemp CBD.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:15:38] Yes. And.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:15:38] Right. That I've seen that I've seen, you know, the transformation that I know about your podcast.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:15:44] That I know about what your story and your journey through with Aiden. And and they're following it because they you know, they don't have the support. This is sort of their road map and they're trying to figure out ways to get to where you're at.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:15:58] Wow. Thank you. I have to be on is watching for me watching the is very purposing pose was very, very high.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:16:05] How long did it take before we were actually watched the whole thing. It took us like about for me to. It took us about a week and a half to two weeks from the guys. They were in touch with us, Lina, with a young lady from Hobbit's Pose. She had got it set up. She had posted on Facebook. And then she reached out to me, say, hey, look, we're posting this on Facebook. I think we was within the first 30 seconds. I had to stop. Had to stop. And I'm like, I watch it another day because this has been our life real time. And for it to be played back at us was a lot heavy for me. Oh, my God. I think we both kind of cried a little. To realize, like, wow, this is where we are.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:16:41] And this is the kind of. Well, I think it's also very brave of you to share your story.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:16:45] When Huffington Post contacted me and Dr. Devinsky about doing a story. They said, you know, do you have any families, you know, which are. And they'll be willing to speak with us. And I gave them a few names and all of them said no.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:16:57] Except for you and Dr. Prado. Most families don't want to share their story because they're either afraid of the stigma, what their neighbors are going to think or what their family members are going to think. And then they're afraid of just getting in trouble with Child Protective Services.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:17:13] Yeah, that's interesting. I guess for us it was like, no, we have to let people know because somebody's going through this and we don't want them to go through the same thing we went through. I think the benefit for us is that we took a chance within the first two months of him being diagnosed that we said we're gonna do this video because a year prior to that, I just learned about Cannabis altogether in the sense of being medicinal, because before anything before that, I just thought, hey, recreation get high doses somewhere. I guess somebody called the day who really, you know, has become a stoner. You know, I knew the negative side part of it as opposed to the positive that it offers.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:17:48] And yeah, and what really happened was that we saw that it was going to be into this spiral of medicine because I was sick in Med and he was on the high dose because you know, how they just you know, basically you add on, you don't they don't take they don't take any off. So they just wrap it, too, and they will give you another one. So you're on three and then they'll max that one out. And we kind of saw that Adrian was going to be. Yeah, that you know that, Spyro. And we want to do this before that happen.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:18:19] But do you think it's you think, Nina, also because of your health care background, do you think that, you know, preemptive you because you already had that foundation?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:18:29] I do. But, you know, sometimes you you separate the two. But what got me was one day I was at the hospital and I saw a patient where he had seizures, too, but was a grown man who's like six for like over 250. And he was on the same amount of Keppra as Aydan. And Atum was two years old. Yeah. And I said, knew this, this can't be happening. I said because I you know, I was I look, there was you know, he's my patients, I Latoya's meds. And I knew he had a seizure. I said, this does not.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:19:07] This is not right. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. And what's crazy is what benefited us is the fact that at the time I was a stay at home dad. So I'm doing research. I'm home doing research. I'm spending time with them. So I'm watching him. And when he was under Kapre and I'm like, this guy's losing his mind. Emily is watching the. And half three year old just lose it. Just wake up in the morning. Just start crying. The prank controller began just for no reason.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:19:30] I'm like, we're not going to Keppra anymore. And that's when Nina was saying, well, I had experience. I saw this. I'm like, okay, we're done with it. And what was interesting is that that the doctor at the time, the neurologist that we were seeing, was one of the top neurologist in New York City. And he prescribed this. And what we found out later on is that the amount that he prescribe was for an adult male. That's way over 200 pounds that he had our son on. So really, we know it. But it comes to the education because at some point we're just like for me, I'm not trusting when it comes to like medical professions is this is something else because I feel that everybody has it in for something. So I just have to double check their work in a sense, like, you know what, you're offering this. I'm a researcher and now I come back to you with a yes or no. And that was one of the things, Nina, because to her background, because he's in the medical field, she she sees the opposites always like for us. I think it's helped one another really balance things out in understanding, like, OK, what will work and what will not work. What are we comfortable with?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:20:29] Yeah, I'm trusting, but of course I have to question things, but I'm more trusting in the minute.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:20:35] Did I know that I trust nothing. No one.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:20:38] And that's there's when it comes to this, especially because as a father this is my family. As a milhem I have to protect. Yeah. You know, and that's one of the things, especially when you're having a black male child is like, I'm like I'm hypersensitive, hyper big bear. I'm protecting everything. Now, I had this question for you I've been thinking about for quite some time, knowing Aidan and patients that you have who may be similar, are you seeing any differences as you've been seeing what Enoch's I like? I sent you the video of Aiden on the scooter and that hasn't changed. That's been him on a scooter for the past three years now as it should be along.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:21:15] Yeah, yeah. I mean he'll have a seizure, he'll have like a jerk. Or is it somewhat what we call a jerk is like a quick twitch. Deadwood's joltin like it looks like he has Tourette's and he'll go right back to whatever he was doing, especially if he's scooting night. Do you see patients like that with a recovery? The coverage.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:21:29] Yeah, the your recovery. The recovery for aid. And he snaps back a lot faster because you started earlier.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:21:38] You eat because also you guys did everything else, you know, all the therapies, you did nutrition, you talked about, you know, all these other integrative things for him. And you started early. A lot of the families either don't have access.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:21:53] Writes, A lot of them have don't have access to CBT, to Cannabis why they don't stick with it. But yes, they give yes. And then there's sporadic. So then they try it and then they're off six months and try it again. And then, you know, and then they're off. So if there is no consistency, if there is no support, there's no access that that changes.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:22:16] The whole game does not work because his teachers, maybe they are amazed like this, but someone to have like to be like sleeping the whole day.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:22:25] Yeah, right.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:22:26] And he has it's not I've I mean, I've witness some things where I've felt like I said, take him out of his scooter, he'll have a seizure, completely collapse, and he'll, you know, go into like almost like a grandma but doesn't last that long. Is like ten seconds. He'll get up like you, OK? He'll cry for bed. He's like, yeah, I'm OK. It's OK. Let's go back. He'll jump on a scooter and just start running. It's just like nothing happened. And then because we noticed one of things I notice with him is that his right leg would be weaker. And so I have an alternate and push off on the right leg to strengthen it up. And then at Tom, alternate switch on the left and he does it and recognize it. Wow. And that's and then we've been recording I've been documented this for a while. I have video since he was about when we first got to school, direct four years, all four or five years old. He's seven now. So it's I'm just wondering, like, again, which your patients. Have you seen that kind of results with them with the same condition that Adan's has when he was about 100 to, what, 200, 200 seizures a day to be able to still.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:23:28] No, I mean, you're really one of the few because you are Olympian status. I mean, so not a lot of parents can document and be diligent or even have the time to be at home and or the health care background. So you having that health care background, I think makes a big difference. Understanding anatomy and physiology. Yeah, makes a difference. You know, some of the parents, they they have a caregiver, a nurse come and then they're off to work and then, you know, and then that's it. Or they're in a school with like 15, 20 other kids in the same classroom and they don't have an aide. So there's a lot of different dynamics that go on with this. So it I don't I don't see the same results with everyone. It really does take a village. It really takes everyone to be onboard board.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:24:17] So I remember having coffee with you and you were talking about how CBD Cannabis provide neuroprotection brain. Can you explain to listeners a little bit more about that? Yeah, please.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:24:27] Yeah, exactly. So it provides the cerebral protection, right.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:24:31] This is neuroprotection where it helps, you know, basically him recover from the seizure. So and this is just, you know, children and adults. I see this with adults with seizures when they have when they're taking Cannabis, when the kids are taking Cannabis, then they have a seizure. They recover so much faster, whereas before it would take at least 24 to 48 hours.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:24:52] You know, there is this loss and you're like, oh, you know, you know, he or she just had a big seizure and, you know, give it a day or two and then we'll get back to normal. But when Cannabis usage, it just comes back, they just bounce back. Even if, you know, if you're having nocturnal seizures in the morning, they're just still functional. And it makes a huge difference, especially for children that are still growing. They're still assimilating. Do you think of like nutrients and appetite exercise.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:25:20] So by him recovering faster, he's not losing that time, you know, recovering in school and, you know, losing his appetite or just laying in bed, you know, not being stimulated. So you've you've actually gained time with him in his recovery?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:25:36] Yes. True, because I know that early the earliest stages when he first started developing his, he would just be out cold and then the medication would give him what was what the dye's that that's value. And he'll be out cold.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:25:49] He can do anything. We haven't used dyes that. I mean, why do we have any say such since he was three? Yes. We stop using using LIDAR because he doesn't have seizures that last three minutes. Oh I think was three or five minutes that we have it. Yeah. Yeah. I would like Mulatu and to see a neurologist like yeah.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:26:06] You haven't been hospitalized you know, and plus at this point I don't think we would go because we know. Well we do. Who is that. You know. Yeah.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:26:14] Even if he has a flu or something, we know what to do. We have like we have protocols, we've actually integrated protocols. If something happens, like it has a seizure in the middle of the night because he was having like around four o'clock. Grandma. Yeah. First thing one of us is up, gets an ice pack put in the base of his neck. Let him lay down. After thirty seconds, it stops. Dad will rub some CBD there on his gums or we'll just give it a rub it on the bottom, his feet weak. We have this team work that we do that we put into place.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:26:44] That is amazing.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:26:46] You can explain to the listeners more. So we we were doing this thing with Aiden. In an essay, he was having twitches at night. We had a jerk subjects night. We would give him CBD. Maybe TMI for some people, but we were doing it recklessly. Yeah, we had like, suppositories. Yeah. Lifestyle type stuff. Can you explain it? That will really stop her seizures very quickly. Kenny explained to the listeners why that happened.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:27:14] So, yes. So you're basically having him absorb the Cannabis move? Hopefully. So basically going in and absorbing it through the recommended suppository bypasses, you know, the Salisbury enzymes through his mouth. If you having them take a Incapsula tincture that's not sublingual, you have to go to the liver and the digestion, the metabolism.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:27:37] And that's the whole reason why they have the dyes that as well. Frankly, it's just a quick delivery. Not all children respond that way, unfortunately, but most of them do. Most of them do well on average.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:27:50] What? How many how many medications are your patients before they come to you? Like, yeah, I'm a parent. I come to you. My child's having these issues. The other, you know, practitioners can't help. Can you help me?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:28:02] Yeah, usually about four to five. Yeah. Yeah. That's why we're on average four to five meds.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:28:07] You know, you have the anti seizure medication. I'm usually like a benzo and and sometimes an antidepressant and then sometimes like an anti constipation medication. Branca's all those medications give you constipation. There you are on a I'd like a stool softener or something like that.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:28:26] It's it's there aren't a lot of meds. And you know, when you have a little tiny body trying to process those meds, you know, they end up not eating a lot.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:28:33] Yes, true. Doesn't want to things we were fortunate that eight unless he'd lost vegetables, we he's never eaten baby food. He's never had Goober's. He has no idea what that is, because like I said, I was home. So I made all the meals I made of avocados, you know, parade, avocados, period, spinach, period. All the vegetables for him to have meat was a tough sell. That took a lot. It took a while, but I think that also benefit him, too, in the long run. Just having vegetables, of course.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:29:02] Of course, 100 percent. But again, not a lot of families even understand nutrition. Yesterday, I was on a call with someone from upstate New York. Same, you know, same thing, child.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:29:14] She you know, about 100 seizures a month, I would say, or more. So it's really I mean, it does today easily. And she was she was a teenager.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:29:25] Special needs no nonverbal, but she was sitting there drinking.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:29:31] I mean, Coca-Cola told the nurse they had they have a nurse, but, you know, with them and, you know, I just see them pouring the Coca-Cola and giving it. And, you know, she's just sipping it throughout the day. And I said I said, is she drinking coke all day?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:29:45] And they say, yeah, can we put the Cannabis into it? But this is the oil. And with the coke. I said, oh, my goodness, this is gonna be a longer session. Oh, my God. It ever has. So it's very common.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:29:57] It's a very, very common see, that's another wolfer us because he didn't hate's anything outside of water. We had the force orange juice on him.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:30:04] Well, you know, I mean but I know you like his palate is different. I mean, you know, most kids don't eat vegetables.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:30:10] Oh, yes. Right. Because the parents I remember eating was screaming in the kitchen was for spinach. And he lost. He started tearing the kids apart. It's my salad. He's a foodie. He's a foodie.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:30:23] And he was breastfed for two and a half years. Lucky guy.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:30:30] I know it was tough for. Have you been getting referrals from other doctors like they're sending their patients to you because they seem to not be able to help them?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:30:41] Yes. Yeah, I still get many referrals because a lot of most physicians are not in private practice. They're part of a large conglomerate, a large medical center, and they have to follow the guidelines of the medical center.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:30:54] So the medical center says our policy is no Cannabis then they'll refer out so they can't help them themselves with the Cannabis because they can't offer it. So they have to refer out.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:31:04] Correct. Yeah, they have to follow whatever the you know, the board of directors decide for the hospital how.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:31:10] Now, have you been seeing a lot of resistance or acceptance in your in your field as it relates to Cannabis?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:31:17] You know, I've been doing this for so long, a lot has changed, but a lot hasn't, unfortunately, is the same way.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:31:24] Yeah.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:31:25] I mean, when the West Coast is very different from the East Coast and the West Coast, it's much more open, much more access. You know, families don't really have to pay for the Cannabis.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:31:36] They were sharing it with each other, you know, basically making using the bud and making the changes himself. It was very grassroots.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:31:44] And when things started changing and large corporations are taking over and buying up small mom and pops, he started. Seeing the shift where families are just out priced, they can't afford Cannabis.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:31:58] You know, at the dispensary or in the regulated market because they were growing and making their own calls, you know, they knew the cultivator and they were making their own. And now it's a it's a real, you know, really polar opposite. Families in New York are spending three grand a month at the dispensary. So the Cannabis works, right? The Cannabis works, but they're just totally you need so much of it regularly, you know, especially if you're you're seeing so much throughout the day. And it's really the beginning. You need a lot at the beginning because you're trying to get through that. Yeah. And figuring out what works and what doesn't work. So you're you're buying a lot of products. Oh, yeah. Three grand a month easily. Three grand a month. Oh, my God.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:32:42] Well, you were killed on the Cannabis.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:32:43] We can plant we're about 300 or 400 a off work place.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:32:47] Well, I mean, I think the reason why is because it is no longer at that stage where he needs a whole lot more than probably other kids, where they're going costly through bottles. Because now the question to you is nutrition. How much of a percentage does that play in the child's health and development as you deal with Cannabis being introduced?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:33:06] I think it has more of a difference, if not equal.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:33:08] Yes, but not everyone can do a ketogenic Carleo type diet. And sometimes it doesn't work. But not everyone has the access to having good foods either.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:33:22] Unfortunately, yes. I work with a lot of underserved communities and, you know, because parents are at work or they just don't have access to the freshest produce. They just can't do it.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:33:36] That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. And it requires almost two to go shop because I think at some point when eating was initially diagnosed, I think within those six months we would go food shopping and we would I'd literally cleared out my cabinet through anything else process anything that hasn't been used in two or three months and threw it out. It started from scratch and basically read every label, monitored everything. And it was it was become like two point a.. This is our focus. Like, make sure we have the right meals, the right amount of vegetables, fruits in the house.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:34:04] Absolutely. I mean, you think about, you know, most of those processed foods, it's high fructose corn sirup. Right. So it's just all sugar. It's anyway or canola oil, you know, just laden with canola. So there really is no nutritional substance in it. And and these are developing kids. And even, you know, like Nina with your ADHD kids, ask them what they're eating at home.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:34:25] Oh, no. One of my kids had he had a Cinnabon.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:34:29] And I know if I had a Cinnabon, I would not be able to system bouncing off the walls.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:34:39] But it's hard, you know, again, and parents are working and the kids refused flat out.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:34:43] There's a Quickflix like like, I got to do this. I got to get out of your hair. All right. Take it. Cinema.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:34:48] When exactly if the kids are refusing and they have a meltdown.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:34:51] You have work to do. You have to work like you can't, you know. Right. You can't wrestle with a kid.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:34:55] Exactly. So it's not to say that that's an excuse, but there is a lot of dynamics that we really need help working with. So I actually have a lot of families and I find them like a nutritionist, that work that is in network. So you go through their hospital. I know my Stitcher as nutritionists and special nutritionist. So there's nutritionist for irritable bowel and Crohn's disease. So they they focus just on that, you know, celiac disease or things like that. There's a nutritionist just for seizure patients.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:35:23] So nutritionists have branch off on their own specialty and they help the families and they coach the families on how to, you know, bring in the foods slowly. And then everyone on the family has to be on progress. So the parents can cheat. And by, you know, the ice cream and things for themselves and then their children are eating something different. The whole family has to make a change.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:35:44] Yes. And the family lifestyle. Exactly. Are you finding, sir, in foods kind of complement the CBD. Oh, mangoes are heard. Does.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:35:54] I have not found that. I know there's certain oil, the essential oils that are called penetration enhancers. And they do help with, you know, the the the plant. Tippins itself, if you can preserve the plant terrapins, it helps absorption with the oils. And that's what many nutritional supplements, not just Cannabis, but foods and foods in general. I I've heard of that like mango being having mercy and helping with the absorption, but I have not really been able to see anything.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:36:23] Solid chocolate wasn't clinically speaking. Yeah. Chocolate or foods with fats. You know, that helps with the absorb. Yes. Because because Cannabis is is that soluble.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:36:34] But you know, I it just for, for, for working with children. It's like whatever it takes to get it in. Yeah. Right.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:36:50] So what's your opinion about CBD water with where the state is a has a high við availability? Bioavailability, do you think there's really some solid to that, especially in water? And when we're seeing that the body absorb the fat, it's absorbed through the oil?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:37:05] Oh, your terms of like encapsulation with nanotechnology and making it more water soluble.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:37:11] Yeah. Between the two. You know, I get asked that all the time. Yes.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:37:15] And I, I have not seen any clinical data where they test the pharmacokinetics like the absorption and if it's any better.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:37:25] But I know that plant medicine, especially Cannabis, is fat soluble for a reason. So, you know, we're trying to mess with it and trying to make it watertable. Is that, you know, crossing that lipid barrier? Is that really good? I don't know.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:37:39] Makes sense. That's a good question. I'm not sure it is. So the jury's still out. I'd like to wait and see what happens.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:37:45] Yeah, because I know a number of companies are doing it. I mean, I've had to watch CBT water and I've felt a different was about ten milligrams. Okay. All right. But it was like it was about seven dollars a bottle. It was like maybe an editor bottle, like Laura. I don't know how that's going to fly off the shelf now with your patients.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:38:05] How do you also integrate the other feel? So I think that was something you talked about because you did say that you do work with dietitians and nutritionists. How about physical therapists? Because, again, Nina's background being in physical therapy. My just been, um, basically a gym, not just going to work out that we've been able to integrate exercises for aid. Recently I have I'm starting to do squats because we noticed that he was walking on his toes a lot. And we I knew that was, you know, with Nina sharing with me that this deal with neurological. So we've been working his squats, his stands and deal with that. Also just the basic strength thing up his legs. Now, do you work in conjunction with a physical therapist to help parents in understanding their child's, you know, physical limits because of the seizures?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:38:51] Yes, there's a lot of pieces that specialize in special needs children. So I do work with them and I make sure that actually that the Cannabis dosage coincides with their sessions.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:39:02] Oh, Kiessling. More about that.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:39:04] So sometimes kids that are very spastic that can't control. Yes. Muscle tone. So I'll have them use the Cannabis right before their PPE session so that everything is relaxed and that they, the teacher can do more work. And a lot of times they'll find that wow, we actually got more done because the muscles are more relaxed.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:39:24] Yeah. Because the muscles. Yeah. That was one to eat is the headache. The tight Achilles heel that tight hamstrings in calf myself. Yeah.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:39:31] Yeah. So I'm walking on his toes. My question is a lot of tropicals out there. Do you do you think that works better for this participate or is the all the topics are good.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:39:42] Again, if they have penetration enhancers, if they have essential oils that help go through the epidermal layer. But for the most part, I think tropicals work really well with neurological issues like a diabetic foot or nerve pain. I would say that the menthol bothers children. They're very sensitive already as it is to quote certain clothing, certain like pressure as well. So anything mentholated, I find that my pediatric patients don't do well with us.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:40:16] Interesting. Now, did children that you see what are like the most glaring issues, physical that you see outside of the decisions themselves? Is it dead? Did either with the wheelchair bound or the limp to once? Because I noticed that there's times where Aiden will have a seizure at his right side, will go weak like he can't lift his right arm. Boy's right legs drags a bit. Is that something that is common, you see? Yes. Yes.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:40:41] It's usually one sided. So it's usually one sided. And that's the same side. You know, the face will droop on that side or the neck. You know, the neck muscles collapse and they'll have a little bit like a toward a cordless, you know, the spasm of the neck muscle until to one side. And it's usually favoring one side. That is correct. And usually when you look so, Minar, you would notice when you're looking at posture, the you know, the scapula, the shoulder blade will be lower. You notice that the hip and the ribs will become more contracted. So what I actually do is I show parents how to just use soft tissue at home so they can't get to peaty, what kind of massages they can do at home to lengthen that area. And just basically work that weakside at area more just, you know, just massage the kids usually end up coming in and fall asleep, but that helps a lot.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:41:29] Wow. Wow. Well, what's the youngest pieces that you've had?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:41:33] You've seen experiencing spasms and using CBT, not a nine month old, is probably one of the youngest ones they have now active.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:41:44] Arthur Aion was young. Wow. Nine months.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:41:47] Yeah. And. You know, they have the seizures. But, you know, it's when you have them that little you know, it doesn't look good. It's it can be a very grim, grim prognosis, unfortunately.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:42:01] And what are the use of the condition or do they come in with a soon diagnosis, like, oh, this is something you were born with, something that happened during birth or like is it something enviromental that triggered these seizures or maybe mail call the virus?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:42:14] Yeah, they you know, they don't know. They always do. You know, the wonderful thing about like Mount Sinai Epilepsy Center at NYU Langone, they stay on top of all the genetic testing. You know, they once you go into that system, I mean, Western medicine, our public medicine can be wonderful because they have all these resources to try and research and get down to why this happened.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:42:35] And you should utilize them for that. But what they what they fall short is all they have is the same prescription medications for everyone, and especially with seizure.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:42:44] Man one size fits all.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:42:46] Yeah. So it's like you can't you can't go back to the capron. I'd be in circle around back and circle out back. There's only so much you can do with that. Yeah. So that's where the things like Cannabis works, diet, ancillary health practitioners, all of that is really, really important.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:43:03] Now what have you been up to? And I mean, did you start writing a book or have you had another book? How are you promoting as a more.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:43:12] Well, yeah. Well, last last summer we I wrote a book.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:43:14] It's just it's a very holistic intro book on, you know, basically what you should know about the history of Cannabis and CBD. You know how we got here, what type of patients I see. You know, if anyone that I would say a Cannabis one or one really good book because it'll teach you about plant medicine, you know, what does it mean to start integrating something alternative? You know, how to talk to your doctor about it?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:43:41] We were offered a second book deal actually on women's health in Cannabis, but Corvet covered it. And so they canceled.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:43:49] Canceled?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:43:50] Yeah. The publishers publishers recession is now so harsh.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:43:55] Yeah, I'm very interested in woman's health in Cannabis. Is it mental health or is this also all around?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:44:01] It's you know, it's interesting because over the years as I've been treating the children, you know, moms are and I to see you dads are, you know, don't don't get the benefit of the doubt, OK?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:44:12] But a lot of them moms forget about themselves and they give them a green. And so sometimes I'll look at the moment, I'll say, hey, why don't you stay back and why don't we chat, you know? Yeah, I treated dorsum, so how can I help you? And then they're like their whole eyes lit up and they're like me.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:44:30] Yeah. Who's that? Why does it happen in ten years?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:44:37] Yeah, basically, yeah. Like why does that happen? Because through the experience of my own I've seen it. So I'm just like wondering like at what more do you go like I am Han Solo. I'm going to do everything I have to do everything. I can't sleep. I just got to think about this one child and that's it. Or just children, whatever the case may be, and just focus in on that to the point is a fixation and they forget they actually exist because I think. Yeah, yeah. You can agree what I've said to you. Absolutely. If you don't take care yourself, you can't take care the family.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:45:06] And it's very hard as a woman to do that.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:45:08] It is hard in a lot of it is like PTSD. So I actually have a Jim Marty that I saw a lot of Doctor Hollanders, one of them, Julie Holland and a few other scratches. And, you know, there's a tremendous PTSD from day one that you go through, and that's part of it being a soldier. So you just pushing and pushing and just being almost superhuman, right. Thinking Magnus's I'm going to figure it out. I'm Mama Bear. It's my responsibility. Yeah. And I'm going to figure it out at all costs. And, you know, I'm not a lot of, you know, marriages can withstand that, you know, mentally, physically. And it is very hard. And we always forget, you know, for me as a mother, we forget about our own health. I don't know how we learned to do that.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:45:54] Yeah, I think is like what happen? And I'm really glad you brought that up, because I do feel like, you know, I'm definitely I'm seeking therapy as well, Nick. I do definitely think it's I do suffer from a form of post-traumatic stress.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:46:09] Just the trauma of seeing your son go through all of this. It's it's very traumatic. And I know a lot of my good friends have kids on the autism spectrum, and that's traumatic, too. Like, would you go with the very severe, severe behaviors where your kids banging their heads or are having severe meltdowns going through that?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:46:34] It's also traumatic. And you don't think of it as being traumatic at the time. But then I go, you take a step back. You're like, wow, I've been we've been through a lot.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:46:43] Yeah. I have a mom who she's almost 70. And her child is almost 30. And he special needs doesn't speak, but she has to lock her bedroom door, begin his self-interest behavior. Sometimes he'll he'll act out on mom. She has a micro bedroom door because she's afraid he'll come in and he can hurt her daddy's glorious 70s.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:47:06] So what happens? You know, that's that's one of the topics in my mind that I'm looking at. Big picture is down the road when that child becomes an adult and the parent is normally able to take care of that, not even them, but themselves, where they need to be in a nursing home or a sparse hospice. Like what happens to this adult.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:47:26] Exactly. So that's what workers are missing.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:47:28] There are not enough there are not enough places for it for for these. I mean, sort of her option was to put them in a group home. And when she put it, she tried putting him in a group home. They would just sedate him all day long.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:47:41] Yeah. Yeah. Because they don't have the manpower to deal with someone in the child. Individual that that age, their size is just crazy because they usually turn to like what triggers them in a home or why that some of these children grow up to be like these man size. Adela's like, wow, you're like six to 240. Yeah. And then you have this behavioral issue. Yeah. I'd say, yeah, I sense that it's going to be the return of the asylums. Mike, my personal opinion. I think there's going to be a return for that because the numbers are growing there.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:48:12] There's got to be something. You know, if even if there's like an extension of, you know, nursing homes, they have four elderly, if they can have, you know, better extended care homes or respite homes where they can take them for a little bit and give the parents some respect. You know, I think it's a lot of it's a very complicated a lot of parents will say, well, what happened when I if I get old and or if I die someday? I mean, who's gonna take care of my special needs child or a especially an adult?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:48:40] Yeah, that's that's a big question. Now, what are the states doing in reference to that? I mean, you know, they're good for throwing money at things, but nothing with any real substance or any real life changing just asset here. Okay. This what you need. Here's the money. Good luck. I mean, are you see anything?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:48:58] It's it's so tough now because it and every state is different, too, depending on funding. So with Colvert. Right, for example, the last three, four months I've been so busy with families calling me because they're they're not working or they have to work from home where they have a special needs child so they don't even get a break. They can't even go to work and get a break what they normally do.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:49:21] So they are going crazy. The whole family is going crazy and they're worried about getting sick. They can't go outside to take a walk. You know, I have a two year old that his wife kept him from his meltdowns. He's got this autistic child is going to the playground every day, exercise playground, being active exercises. And they couldn't do that. And the child would stay up till 4:00 a.m.. So finally, the only thing she gave him and continues to give him to this day is I bet.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:49:47] So now he's so addicted and he can't get off. He can't get off. And so, you know, she's calling me crazy, like he has insomnia. I have insomnia. There's behavior issues. You know, his motor ticks are getting worse.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:50:00] So it's this whole spiral that, you know, and it's like, wow, you know how the Cannabis is like that.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:50:07] I was I was very sad. I work with severe special needs children, and I was very sad for the parents when we had to leave school. Very, very sad because their routine.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:50:21] Yes. These, you know, his and his condition need routine. Didn't do routine is off. It's especially.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:50:25] Exactly. Exactly.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:50:27] So I could imagine them acting for help for something, you know, anything in life.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:50:32] Like a question for you. Are you also collect? Because I know New York State is not great for this. You know, I do want to bad mouth them, but then terrible when it comes to aggregated numbers on the age, sex and location of children under the medical marijuana program, the patients that you see, especially whenever a very around children. Do you have data on the demographics age as well? Sex. So you can idea who you know, who are your patients are basically.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:51:03] Yes. So I'm you know, I'm seeing a lot of pediatric patients, but also young adults that have, you know, that basically can't give consent. So these are I treat them as special needs, you know, quote unquote, children, because the parents are proxy over health proxy.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:51:20] No. Now, what are the ages like? You see a large number under the five years old or in between attended to.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:51:27] Oh, my goodness. It really varies. I mean, I see toddlers, you know, all the way up to like 30 years old who is a non-verbal special needs. So there's a mix of all of them. I since we've been together working on on the Huffington Post piece and some of the advocacy that you've done. It's a it's a real spike in younger children because they senior video, they've been inspired. They want to look at, you know, what a road map would look like for them.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:51:58] So under the age of 10, easily picked number is MySpace, and most of it is their seizures and neurological disorders or like. Do you see a spike in the seizure aspect of it, like epilepsy or do you see in ADHD or ADHD? Like, which one has skyrocketed since you've been seeing a lot of seizure patients?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:52:17] But also, I do see a lot of OCD patients.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:52:20] Also pediatric patients that have, you know, motor takes her OCD tendencies. It's a it's a really big thing that the Cannabis works for. Unfortunately, OCD is not a qualifying condition here in New York.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:52:33] Yeah, but there are a lot of especially children have concurrent diseases like irritable bowel, you know, which we can we can qualify under irritable bowel or some sort of a neurological disease. And then we treat for, you know, the different symptoms like those, c.D, or the motor ticks or the Tourette's.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:52:54] Well, now you've not. So you're seeing like a number of children and adults with stomach issues, as was on top of the, let's say, the ADC or the seizure activities. Yes. Are there like. Is there a correlation between the two?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:53:07] Yes, there is. So when you. Yeah, when you have the it's the gut and the brain axis is very interrelated. So, you know, you you are very meticulous about Adan's diet. So you probably see a lot less of it. But a lot of parents will notice, you know, the kids know has tremendous constipation. So they're on stool softener. They're on Metamucil. I mean, they have all this excess stuff or they have diarrhea and they're just having the runs all day.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:53:37] And then on top of that, you know, the seizures or ADHD or OCD.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:53:42] Oh, my God. Now, what was the most severe case you've seen on either end when it came to the gut health?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:53:48] I've had a kid with what's called short bowel syndrome, where he was born with know abnormal bowel. Basically, the intestines were shortened. Some of it was not developed properly and had to be surgically removed. And he just doesn't assimilate his nutrients and he has seizures. So that has been really, really hard to put weight on him, control the seizure and to help behavior is.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:54:14] I know that parents going through it, you know, sadly dead. Some sometime ago, Nina and I were doing some research and I came across something which was really scary and fascinating at the same time where 50 per cent of divorces, 90 four added out of 50 percent of divorces. That happened nationwide, 90 percent of them has to deal with a child with a disability in a home. And I found this like, wow, staggering debt. Yes. It was mind boggling. I'm like 90 percent or doodoo with a child in a hole that has a disability. It's always like parents of risk when a parent says, I can't do this anymore. It just basically walks away.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:54:53] Well, it's interesting that you say that, because now that I'm thinking about I I've never looked at that statistic. A lot of the special needs families that I deal with, either it's a single mom or the mom and dad are not together.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:55:06] And I usually have two two separate visits to the mom comes and, you know, I'll go home. I won't lie about Cannabis, blah, blah, blah. And then they're like, OK, well, you've got to see to my ex-husband separately and just tell him what I.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:55:18] Well, you told me. Wow. Then we got to get him on board or, you know, her partner man, you know, may not be a male or a female. Get her on board and then it's it's a longer process. I think I think you brought that up. I didn't. I didn't mean put those together.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:55:34] Yeah. Because, I mean, Nina Nyko, we've we've had our challenges.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:55:39] Challenges. That's an understatement. We just didn't have enough furniture because we I mean, it can burn you out.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:55:50] I think for us it was the uncertainty and then the lack of sleep because Aiden sleeps with me. So, you know, to make sure that, you know. You know, if he's okay, if he happens to have a grandma on the middle night, you know, some is up in, you know, being able to jump on it. And I think that was a part of his just that we didn't we'd like the boots to sleep. And at the same time, he just said I uncertainty of like, okay, how long is it before he heals or, you know, completely or, you know, when is it going to stop, you know, because we're always looking for the end game. This put it into this, as opposed to getting through the process and making sure he's healthy, that eventually his body will break it and he'll be fine.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:56:32] So we definitely know how how that is. But the relationship and that's kind of why we did that. We started this podcast. Yeah. Yeah.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:56:38] That's a good communicator. And I think a lot of it, too, is also we didn't know how to communicate with each other when it came to it because she Nina has our perspective and I have mine. And it would come down to, well, who's prospectives going to win?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:56:53] And it is like, OK.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:56:55] I mean, it got to the point where we had to if we had a case to make about less change his diet. Well, why? And it's like, well, because I want to know it's not good enough.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:57:04] So I just forgot to bring the data. So we both have our paper research right here in front of us. Sit down a day.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:57:10] Let me see your reason. Why do you have. What do you have? And we just exchange a document. But I think that made us better, really, because then we got really, really involved in in-depth and doing research and finding ways to help them.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:57:23] That's amazing. What a blessing. What I mean, really, what about. I know it must be really hard. I can't imagine. I can't imagine. But I mean, you guys have really done so much, not only for aid and before other families.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:57:36] I hope you realize that, you know, it's a it's it's funny you say it, Embling, really. I mean, granted, there's been a couple families that we've reached out to us, that we share some information, you know, guided them and they were very appreciative. So, you know, it's just like I wish there was someone there for us family wise, where we were going through it. But, you know, just the fact that we got involved in the community and it's such a small community, Cannabis can so small that they were able to refers to people and which is one thing led to another. And that's how we met you. And that's how we met some other people as well in the industry, that they've been able to help us even provide us samples of stuff there for us to try out. It's been it's been great. I mean, I've had nothing negative to say. I had a question. Last question. When it comes down to CBD end ingredients. One of the things that we learned was that sunflower and lechon oil tend to trigger Aydan seizures. Why?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:58:31] Oh, my goodness. We talked about that, Nina.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:58:34] Yes. And so he went to break it up. Yeah, I needed I needed expect noticed that.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:58:40] I noticed that on my own when I started looking at the ingredients, because what I do with the clinical data that I collect is, you know, every quarter, every three months we start to extrapolate and I work with a biostatistician that's otherwise I'm staring at charts, upon charts, upon charts. But I look at all the data and then we start looking for basically trends. And I have so I have everything down from the blood test to what they're taking and then the ingredients of their Cannabis oil. And I noticed that the sunflower lecithin started triggering the seizures when when it's in a cumulative amount uncertain kids much more so voice. And I contacted one of my nurse friends who with a Cannabis nurse, and she's an expert in nutrition.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:59:26] And I asked her that and she said, oh, my God, I noticed that, too.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:59:32] Oh, wow. Hello.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:59:33] I know this is what the Cannabis industry is. Right. So we're sharing each other's data because that's all we have. Right. We can't we can't research it and put into clinical trials as if it's federal regulations still. So we all together and I can't figure out the Forell kinetics why that would be the case. I look every second I like I think it took a year and a half ago.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [00:59:55] I can't find anything on it. And I was going to ask my colleague, Dr. Spellman, he's a peach tree and plant. He's a plant chemist, essentially. And I keep forgetting to ask him. But now that it's on my mind, I'm going to ask him and get back to you with the answer.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:00:09] Yes, it's very interesting because, like he was on this company, it was fine. Working really great, actually. Dinello was then all of a sudden it was seizures. We just jump. Then it was different. Shaking as a teacher even mentioned it, as I just happened to look and I'm like, wait, this additive wasn't there.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:00:26] Well, what benefited us is the fact that we kept the all bottles. Yeah, we kept the old bottle. Don't last. Why don't. That's why we kept the old bottles. But ironically, we kept the old bottles and Nena's look at them and comparing the ingredients to hold on the included and it's not in the old one. So the old batch. Even so, if you look at the the COAG are the certificate of analysis, the lab reports it didn't match up with what we were used to having. So they kind of changed things and didn't really give us a heads up.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:00:56] Yeah. So we were there when CBT companies who are just coming starting off, we kind of say just keep it simple like food. Yeah. Two basic ingredients.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:01:07] It don't go crazy.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:01:09] Don't cut corners because they're gonna kill you. Yeah.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:01:11] Because a lot of people try to add yet to making more. I guess what bioavailable or is making with answers. I would Aydan is keep it simple. The carry oil CBD. That's it. As Autotuning need. Because these symbols, you don't know how the child's going to react to other additives are put in.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:01:28] Yeah, but have you ever seen Athie with this sunflower, specifically the sunflowers in everything?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:01:35] It is, unfortunately. And so then you have to think about. For me, I think, you know, my background is in biochemistry and nutrition. So it's what are them and how the light that lead, because it's not just the lecithin, it's what your body is metabolizing it and converting it to. So what does that conversion. And how is that affecting him neurologically? So that's that's like that's what you have to look at the metabolic steps. Not so. I mean, lecithin is found in egg yolk, too. So then you think about because when you first told me, I thought, what is he allergic to eggs? Is he allergic to something like the ZF? Does he have that effect on red meat? Because a lot of people that are allergic to lecithin, egg yolk. Red meat is usually kind of in the same grouping. So it's it's pretty complicated.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:02:21] It is you to have the stripped down to begin eating, because I know Aydan, he has a high metabolism. And I think we discussed that maybe it was just having the CBD go right through him and that he wasn't absorbing it. Yeah, well, they say sort of like eight to 10 percent. Anyway, if that were maybe he wasn't getting a CBD absorbing, they could maybe wasn't causing it to metabolize the CBD too quickly.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:02:44] Oh, yeah. I mean, that's why I always say to my my, my, my parents, you know your child better than I do. So when they say something to me, like you said, to come up with this, I never pooh pooh it. I never put it aside. I'm always like, really? OK, let me write this down. Let me look at the chart. Let's go back to the drawing board. Let's review everything. And a lot of doctors don't have time to do that. Do I not know about everything? No, it's not that. I mean it. And it's not we're not going to harm others. Like what?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:03:16] Yes, that's true. So let me guess. My question is, what do you see as the most points or even what do you have charter for pass when it comes to water, food and rest?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:03:29] The biggest thing for everybody that is like the lowest hanging fruit is the sleeping.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:03:33] Yes, we notice that, too. Yeah.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:03:35] Ok. So diet is very hard, right? Diet hard. That's why I have a nutritionist, like a coach essentially helping the family. Right.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:03:42] If you get good sleep, if you get good sleep for an epileptic patient, adults or child, it sets the tone for the rest of the day.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:03:51] Oh, yes, it does. It does. I know teachers would.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:03:54] I mean, one thing and then also it sets the tone for even learning. So when we sleep, when and when ADA is sleeping, he's assimilating what's happened throughout the whole day in his right. You know, he's sort of reconciling that and his brain.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:04:08] He's filing things away that he's learned. This is non REM and REM sleep. His hormones change during sleep. The gut flora changes like we talked about, you know, the intermittent fasting and how I got flora changes with circadian rhythm. So same thing with a child when they're sleeping regular hours and get a good night's sleep. It makes such a difference on seizure patients more than anything.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:04:30] Yes, even in a hydration, because we noticed that when he's the one he has not had enough water, he'll have twitches. He'll just have, like, constant twitches, like nonstop or he'll have what the other thing is, is the jerks and a urine. When he does good about them, the urine is so strong, it's like you could smell the medication coming through it.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:04:49] Oh, OK.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:04:50] So do you get him to drink water, cup, cup or just a cup or. We use a use a syringe. It's just pump him up. I usually like that force. I just usually like to offer him a piece of fruit or something or something in exchange like hey drink the water and I give you a toy or I give you something, you know, says make some firm talking.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:05:10] Oh yes. I do wanna see that. I want what CBS is listening.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:05:14] Yeah, but we are getting older now. So we said, do you want to have seizures like we we, we can talk to me into it. Yeah. Okay. You can say do you want to have seizures. No. Okay. Drink your water. He knows about being healthy. Yeah. He's healthy. We do want to be healthy. Yes. OK. Healthy people drink water. A lot of it. Yeah.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:05:33] That's one of the things to do. No, I'm one of many things that we've been doing with them is also encouraging him to speakers when he first started having those massive seizures in a beginning. But just two and a half years old when he was just starting to use his words and he stopped in our in sign language, now he's able to start to use his words on his own is just like the clarity is starting to come through.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:05:54] Nice.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:05:54] Now, are you also integrating things like that because I know that one. What are the other things that were wrong with children with mostly just their jaw muscles are weak, their tongue. They're not able to, you know, pronounce certain words or things like that.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:06:09] Why? Yeah. So I work with what's called a mild functional therapist. And they help you. You can you can even Google it. There's the exercises online. It's called mild functional therapy. And that helps. There's different exercises you can do for the mouse using a tongue depressor, you know, moving the tongue back and forth type, you know, tying a string to a button and having, you know, basically, you know, having the button in the in the lip and having him close the lip while you touch on fat on the string that you just him to have that person's lips essentially and strengthen the muscles there that helps with speech. And then sometimes kids will have what's called an appliance. So, you know, might be like some sort braces, but it's a mouth appliance that slips in. You know, either widen the palate, help with swallowing, help with, like, bruxism, like clenching on the jaw. So if and when I said it takes a village and we've really mean it. So I refer to certain dentists that that deal with special needs children. So the name again.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:07:14] Is it was it you said a bi function, as you said?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:07:16] My functional therapy, my function.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:07:19] I've heard of it. I've heard it. It's interesting because I saw a product on Instagram is called Short Size like Geor and basically is a ball was a rubber ball. You heated up in hot water and then you just bite down. You clenched down. And what it is supposed to do is chew on it almost. Is this a ball that you kind of chew on and it strengthens the muscles around the jaw line?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:07:41] Well, what would I actually recommend is something called a mild munchy m y o. And then when she is m u n c h e, it's a chewing device. But it's not a ball. So it's a it's the shape of of a mouth. And then it has a thing that you can tug on. And the basically the child puts it into their mouth and then they tug on it on their own. So you read a book, you say, OK, we're going to read a book together.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:08:07] You put in my Munchy and the kid starts to pull on it brings the jaw forward until. Right, Alina, I'm so look it up. Yeah, we have it. It's better than just chewing on a ball because you're looking at forward growth and not just like vertical growth.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:08:23] Interesting. OK. Now we've got to do it now. Yes. Yes, we do it. Yes, we do. And that's my thought too is the next podcast we're gonna do is like how to help the child outside of CBD.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:08:34] The exercise is the key thing. Is that everything? Yes. Not just one thing, but. Oh my. I just have been awesome.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:08:39] I can I can do this for another hour because we got a lot of catching up to do, but we're not going to be.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:08:44] I think your listeners only listen.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:08:45] Oh yeah. A guy out I am. Well and again, those who are in need and just have no clue.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:08:51] This is a great episode. So props to them for staying tuned in. Dr. Chin, thank you again for your time. Really preset. You'd love you like family and for everything you've done for us. I mean, Paul, hardly. And I've been waiting to tell you this. Thank you very much.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:09:08] Thank you. Oh, it's been my pleasure. And you can find and find my information at Dr. June Chen dot com. Yes. Yes. And when you look at it, you'll see eight and eight and right out there front.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:09:19] And I have this as I see it. Oh, my God. He looks so much different now. Yeah.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:09:25] You see him now. You wouldn't recognize it. A lady, Betty. Oh, yeah, he was Betty. Now he's like, I'm playing middle linebacker. He's.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:09:34] Oh, that's awesome. Well, when when you know, when things get better, we should definitely see each other in protest.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:09:39] Yeah. I would love and look forward to it. I know that I did. CWC still having their show this year, so I'll keep you posted as well. Hopefully I'll see you on some webinar.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:09:50] And you're doing telehealth, right. Right now. Virtual only.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:09:53] Yeah. I'm doing telehealth right. CWC, I think I'm speaking in October actually in women's.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:09:58] Awesome. Awesome. Yeah. So. Yeah. Now are you all right. So you have any live casts that you're doing webinars. Are you posting any on your Web site?

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:10:09] Yes, I'm posting it on my Web site and my Instagram page are awesome.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:10:13] I would definitely look forward to seeing them now. We'll stay in touch and definitely looking forward to seeing you again. And we'll bring aid in you just now. I think so.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:10:22] I love it. All right. Sounds good. Thank you. Yeah. Have a good time. You too. Thank you.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:10:27] Thank you. Bye bye. Bye bye.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:10:30] Thanks for tuning in. Another episode of Love and Cannabis.

 

Osiris Stephen, Nina Simmons, Dr Junella Chin: [01:10:34] I'm though and I mean, it seems to be strong. And Dave.

 

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